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Posted Feb 09, 2005 at 12:54:49 PM
Subject: Hello all

Hello All
I'm a newbie that needs a bit of help! I work in a residential home for adults with LD &amp; will be holding Service User meetings every month. Does anyone have any ideas for "ice breaking" games.
Hope someone can help me
Slinky :)

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bgb
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Posted:Feb 09, 2005 4:58:05 PM

I have a dumb question. What's a residential home for LDers?

LD is learning disability. Like dyslexia. LDers have normal or above IQs.

I've never heard of a residential home for dyslexics?

Barb

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Posted:Feb 10, 2005 4:36:53 AM
Subject:huh?

I think she's talking about folks who suffer from mental retardation, or some other disability which is far more severe than dyslexia most of these folks sadly enough can't live on their own. One summer I worked in a factory, and every tuesday and thursday a van full of mentally disabled adults would come and assemble parts together. The story of one gentlemen was that he fried his brain from drugs when he was in his twenties and therefor he could no longer do the daily tasks that are essential for living.

So in other words "Slinky" works with people that are considered to be mentally retarded by the state. She doesn't work with people like you or I who have average or above average intelligence.

I hate it when people compare mental retardation to an LD. It's that false comparison that gives lders the "stupid" label in society. I may not be the brightest guy in the world, but I can hold a job and I can communicate clearly.

So slinky please do yourself a favor and research LD before you come on here and put us in the same category as these people who suffer from a far more some severe LD than I have.

"Icebreaker game" WTF?

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bgb
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Posted:Feb 10, 2005 1:46:18 PM

Thanks, Nobody. I was just giving slinky enough rope to hang himself/herself. :lol:

The gym teacher at the local middle school made the same %^$(#&amp; mistake! I figure an educator should know better since some of his students are LD but not MR. I expect too much....

Barb

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Slinky
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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 12:41:12 PM

bgb
I think that you are extremely rude. I was only here to get some ideas. This site was recommended to me by Barbara McIntosh who is highly regarded for her work with PCP but I don't think I will bother staying

Slinky

P.S I'm in England &amp; the Service Users I work with all have severe LD

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 12:44:31 PM

nobody
"mentally retareded" What century are you living in using phrases like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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bgb
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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 3:10:54 PM

I'm sorry slinky, are you saying you work in a residenance setting for individuals with dyslexia, dysgrahpia, or the like? I'm not familiar with the akconin of PCP so I'm not sure of what you are telling us.

Is mentally retaided no longer used? That is still the term my state's department of education uses. Granted, they are not cutting edge but still...

Now, I'm being serious. I really do want to know.

I paid for college by aiding in a group home for individuals with sever and profound mential retairation. Occassionally, I would work with less sevrely affected adults. I have nothing against folks with MR.

I do get upset when my gifted son, who also happens to have sevre dysgraphia, gets put in the "living skills math" in school rather than the algrabra he signed up for because someone in the office mistook MR for LD.

As for games, it depends on your clients ages and disablities. I assume the ages are all over the board? Do you know the mix of disabilites? That would point us in the correct direction of which games would be acceptable and which would be horrible.

Again, I am sorry. You hit me on a bad day and your first note doesn't fit with the social service programs we have in the States. ie we don't have residentials for LDers. I should have been more open minded. I also hope you keep in mind that this board is used prodominately by US or candian individuals and is hosted by a US newsnetwork. We LOVE having others here but we do need help to know that so we don't assume your "rules" are the same as ours.

Barb

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 3:22:23 PM

Okay, now I'm even more confused. I tried to look up Barbara McIntosh and PCP on the internet. (I really am not a rude person and I thought perhaps I could answer my own questions and list some ideas for you.)

I'm not having any luck.

The data I find on PCP is how it relates to tramatic brain injury. Again, not LD but then, PCP may be the abbrieation for several things and I just found the wrong one.

My curasity is peeked! I look forward to learning more about Ms. McIntosh what PCP is. And I am being serious here.

Barb

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Slinky
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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:28:48 PM

PCP= person centred planning - perhaps its just the english language i don#'t mean to cause offence but in england learning disability means downs syndrome etc

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:33:12 PM

sorry if i offended anyone but in uk we obviosly have different meaning for learning disability- to me it means people with syndromes such as downes syndrome sorry for any confu8sion

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:42:44 PM

Quote 5d51d2ef7d="Slinky":

sorry if i offended anyone but in uk we obviosly have different meaning for learning disability- to me it means people with syndromes such as downes syndrome sorry for any confu8sion

Ok. But these forums are not really about Down's syndrome etc., more about things like dyslexia, dyscalculia, dysgraphia etc.

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:45:14 PM

sorry but i must have misinterperated the web site i really didn't mean any offence but LD obviously means something different in the uk

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:47:07 PM

try to look in learing disabilities foundation

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:50:19 PM

sorry to elly &amp; everyone else i really didn't mean to be rude to anyone but in the uk learning disabilities obviousley means something much different

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:51:01 PM

Yeah, I guess. I like it better than the danish word for down's etc., "underdeveloped". But our kind of ld's are nothing like down's, and we (well, I) have been put in that category for a long time. There is nothing worse than being misunderstood ;)

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:54:25 PM

i'm very sorry for causing offence that was the last thing on my mind. i just went for the english l8ingo &amp; got 2+2=5 sorry :cry:

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:57:14 PM

please forgive me

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 5:58:42 PM

I'm sure it's fine, it was just a laguage barrier :)

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 6:01:43 PM

Slinky -- there is a difference between the legal and educational definition of a term, and creeping euphemisms used for happy talk. You and the people you work with don't like the term mental retardation, even though it is a well-defined term and has legal meaning and force in many areas. So you take people with Down's Syndrome, who are MR by all the standard definitions, and you think it sounds much *nicer* to call them LD.
But the educational and legal definition of LD (which I have never read differently in England or Canada or anywhere else) is *normal or higher intelligence* -- this is in fact the line that divides LD from MR. Wipe out that line, and now how do you place the kids who are doing advanced algebra but have a problem writing or speaking? Now if LD means what MR used to, we need a new definition for bright people with a few difficulties. It will never end.
You think the words mentally retarded are an insult. Why? Is the term itself wrong, or the misuse of it?
On the other hand, a student working in advanced high school classes, or his parents, might justifiably feel insulted to be classed with Down's Syndrome. There are other sides to the issue of rudeness here. As the parents above pointed out, it is hurtful and may be permanently harmful to bright kids to be taken out of academic classes because someone misuses the terms and classes them as unteachable.

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 6:06:11 PM

AS i said no offence to anyone but learning disability means much different in uk. Sorry if iwas rude to anyone :oops:

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Posted:Feb 12, 2005 6:08:12 PM

i find mentally retarded as a derogentry saying p'haps its just a brit thing :oops:

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