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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 19, 2005 12:01:44 AM

Quote 2dcb728957="JohnBT":

I could suggest individual counseling or group therapy to explore your feelings and such, but you've probably heard that already.

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What I'd like to pass along is something I've heard over and over again from clients I've worked with during the past 30+ years...

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Success is the sweetest revenge. :)

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John

I don't think revenge is even an issue. What is at issue is providing for LD kids a safe, warm and helpful enviroment. Allison and the rest of the LD students do not deserve the abuse that they suffer in the dungeons of SPED.

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Sue
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Posted:Aug 19, 2005 12:57:52 PM

Nobody's suggesting any of it was deserved; the question you asked was:

". Can you think of some recovery strategies for the many people who have been through what Allison and I have been through?"

It seems that you wanted suggestions for what to do now -- which were therapy, or focusing on succeeding *anyway* and channeling the anger &amp; frustration to proving the demons wrong.

Another tactic is desensitization - going out and finding a "safe, warm and helpful environment" and in that surrounding tackling some of those demons. (It's what I try to provide in this learning lab - you're welcome to come out to Illinois :-))

Sue J, webmastress www.resourceroom.net

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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 20, 2005 1:33:14 AM

Quote 686a152fdc="Sue":

Nobody's suggesting any of it was deserved; the question you asked was:

Quote 686a152fdc="Sue":

". Can you think of some recovery strategies for the many people who have been through what Allison and I have been through?"

It seems that you wanted suggestions for what to do now -- which were therapy, or focusing on succeeding *anyway* and channeling the anger &amp; frustration to proving the demons wrong.

Another tactic is desensitization - going out and finding a "safe, warm and helpful environment" and in that surrounding tackling some of those demons. (It's what I try to provide in this learning lab - you're welcome to come out to Illinois :-))

I am not suggesting that anyone is suggesting that they deserve but obviously the people subjecting them to the type of abuse that Allison has described believe that they do desreve to be abused. If the detainees at Gitmo were subjected to the abuse LD kids get in our schools Amnesty International would be making a big stink about it.

Bless the beasts and the children. They have no voice. They have no choice. :&gt;(

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Allison
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Posted:Aug 20, 2005 6:48:37 PM

Just read what is going on. I understood what you were trying to say. Your post is still visible. If you were talking about the censored word it does not take much to figure it out. From my personal experience, I believe that LD is not a disablity, but something created by poor teaching. If in 3rd grade, I had had someone that was as willing as the teachers aide in 10th grade was, I would not be here right now writing on this board. Because, I was placed in that enviroment in 3rd grade and left with the skills of a 3rd grader and below until 10th grade. I developed an LD from the lost information. But, due to caring individuals willing to teach me what I had missed I was able develop my ablities in mathematics.

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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 21, 2005 1:35:19 PM

Quote 03aee52ec3="Allison":

Just read what is going on. I understood what you were trying to say. Your post is still visible. If you were talking about the censored word it does not take much to figure it out. From my personal experience I believe that LD is not a disablity, but something created by poor teaching. If in 3rd grade, I had had someone that was as willing as the teachers aide in 9th grade was, I would not be here right now writing on this board. Because, I was placed in that enviroment in 3rd grade and left with the skills of a 3rd grader and below until 10th grade. I developed an LD from the lost information. But, due to caring individuals willing to teach me what I had missed I was able develop my ablities in mathematics.

I don't know if I believe that poor teaching causes LD but a certaibly wouldn't rule it out. There is no question that the overall negative learning experience LD kids are forced to endure at the hands of lousy teachers certainly makes thing worse in terms of cogntion, emotional state and motivational drive for these unfortunate victims of an educational sysyem that sees them as a burden and not worthy of a proper education and proper remedial help.

The idea that poor teaching is the cause is an intriguing and it makes sense when you consider that kids labled LD reach their developmental milestones at the same time as non LD kids.

Allison, you make an interesting point.

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Sue
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Posted:Aug 22, 2005 3:48:49 PM

ANd it still boils down to dealing with now and the future before you - 'cause that's what you can change :-)

Sue J, webmastress www.resourceroom.net

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Allison
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Posted:Aug 23, 2005 6:05:34 PM

Here is another memory.
When it came time for the mandatory state testing the LD students were given no preparation. Why! I can recall the teachers in special education math not informing their students that they would have to be tested on the same level as the "normal students." The teachers would, it seemed to me, ignore the fact that their students were going to be tested on a level that they had no preparation for, nor with the skills that they were being taught capable of. I remember going into a normal math class, preparing to attempt my best on the test, only to find out that I had never been taught how to work the questions. That was the most horrible feeling, knowing that I should be familar with the questions based on my grade level, and being unable to work the problems because I had never seen them before, let alone knew what to do with them.

Each class would begin with spelling the teachers name, month, date, and day of the week. We were not allowed to use our own paper, but had to use large print (like what is used when learning how to write). This was in middle school and high school.

Why were the teachers told to approach teaching their classes this way? Didn't they realize that this was wrong and would be harmful to their students?

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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 24, 2005 4:34:19 PM

Quote e26ef8d25c="Allison":

Here is another memory.
When it came time for the mandatory state testing the LD students were given no preparation. Why! I can recall the teachers in special education math not informing their students that they would have to be tested on the same level as the "normal students." The teachers would, it seemed to me, ignore the fact that their students were going to be tested on a level that they had no preparation for, nor with the skills that they were being taught capable of. I remember going into a normal math class, preparing to attempt my best on the test, only to find out that I had never been taught how to work the questions. That was the most horrible feeling, knowing that I should be familar with the questions based on my grade level, and being unable to work the problems because I had never seen them before, let alone knew what to do with them.

Quote e26ef8d25c="Allison":

Each class would begin with spelling the teachers name, month, date, and day of the week. We were not allowed to use our own paper, but had to use large print (like what is used when learning how to write). This was in middle school and high school.

Quote e26ef8d25c="Allison":

Why were the teachers told to approach teaching their classes this way? Didn't they realize that this was wrong and would be harmful to their students?

Let it suffice to say that the intentions of many schools regarding their LD students is less than honorable.

Allison, teachers have to do what they are told to do by their superiors, the principal and the superintendent.

The more LD students there appears to be at a school the more funding the school will get.

As to the answer to your questions. I can't answer them here but given the above you I have no doubt you can reach your own conclusions.

I would like to be allowed to answwer your last question. They know damn well what they do is wrong. There is no plausable explanation that would not be sinister.

Again, I urge you to look into taking legal action against your school not ony on behalf of yourself but on behalf of futer LD students.

Wrong doing is wrong doing no matter how you slice it. When laws are being broken and rights are being violated legal action is often the only remedy. If people are not held accountable for their wrong doing and in this case it is porbably criminal, that wrong doing will only continue.

Perhaps you state's atty general will investigate your school system. Who knows whatelse he my turn up?

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Allison
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Posted:Aug 24, 2005 6:16:23 PM

Forgive me for rambling on and on with my memories. I feel that if I write about them then the tension might ease. Several individuals have posted stating that they went through similar situations to what happened to me. Is it possible, if not too painful, could you share some of your memories? I did it. It is not that hard. You just use up a box of tissues. Maybe by telling our stories, the parents of the present generation can see if this is still occurring or maybe prevent these situations from occurring to anyone else? Thank You for allowing me to come onto this board.

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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 24, 2005 7:32:45 PM

Allison there is no need for you to apologize to anyone. You should be commended for bring this up. I also would like you to know that you are not alone.

In my case I got no support at home. I became my family's big disapointment. My school experience was not positive but compared to the hell you went thorugh it was a dream.

I only had to take remedial reading even though I qulaified for sped. My parent were too ashamed to have "one of their kids" in the "special class".

I endured the ridicule that people like us get from teachers and other teachers were helpful and patient. The ones who were decent made goingto school worth while but theire were times I would skip school because I just could not face the unpleasantness and failure.

My LD is moderate to severe but I think being "mainstreamed" even though technically I should not have been saved me from the crap that you went through.

I don't think things have changed too much for this generation. I think the lip service may be better but I think the reality for them is even worse.
:&gt;(

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Allison
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Posted:Aug 25, 2005 5:29:03 PM

So you think it was because of money. I was thinking that also, but did not want to believe that it could be possible. It is sicken that the hell they put children through was all because of money. So you think that things are worse now? How so?

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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 25, 2005 7:52:40 PM

Quote df91d50c25="Allison":

So you think it was because of money. I was thinking that also, but did not want to believe that it could be possible. It is sicken that the hell they put children through was all because of money. So you think that things are worse now? How so?

I think it varies from school to school. Some schools are loaded with bad personel while others have some decent caring people.

I have found that when ever something seems to defy all logical explanations it is usually all about the money.

Overall I would say that things are worse because the qulity of teachers has been on the decline for quite some time. Even though we throw a gret deal of money on education I doubt if you will find much difference in schodthat pay teachers well and ones that don't.

You need to remember that many teachers become employed right out of college. They are not held to the same standards of performance that even a waitress is held to. Their boss the principal was formerly a teacher so he will cut them every break possible.

Educators don't live in the real world. Like their 5th graders they don't think past lunch. They look at LD kids as a problem to pass on to somebody else. I think it is a bit niave to expect people who are not held to real world standards to have what it takes to treat kids with a normal level of common courtesy let alone educate them.

We can throw twice the money at the education crisis and thing will still reamin the same. Along with the money we need to set standards similar to those Europe and Japan sets for their educators. Any teacher who can't make the grade I'm sure they will do fine at McDonalds. Ah,......... maybe not. :&gt;)

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Mychildisanadult
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Posted:Sep 01, 2005 2:30:25 PM

I saw my happy sensitive curious beautiful son, turn into a sullen depressed teen who had no confidence and I couldn't figure out why until he had a brake down of sorts, quit school and finally months later was able to verbalize the mental abuse he had to endure being labled special ED. The teachers even refered to them as retards! Once when Jeremy corrected his History teacher on something, as he is an expert on history, he was verbally abused in front of the class! Instead of encouragement he was crushed.

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TammyLee
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Posted:Sep 02, 2005 12:24:34 AM

Quote 357c93977c="Mychildisanadult":

I saw my happy sensitive curious beautiful son, turn into a sullen depressed teen who had no confidence and I couldn't figure out why until he had a brake down of sorts, quit school and finally months later was able to verbalize the mental abuse he had to endure being labled special ED. The teachers even refered to them as retards! Once when Jeremy corrected his History teacher on something, as he is an expert on history, he was verbally abused in front of the class! Instead of encouragement he was crushed.

Typical of most schools.

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solvibe
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Posted:Oct 18, 2005 2:45:26 PM
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Allison, your Real Life Biorgrahphy of LD Trials and Tribulations is truly amazing. i can't believe you actually remember all that. woww

It feels like i was reading directly from the pages of my life, getting shivers just thinking about it.

For a long time i felt i was alone under these circumstances, I must say this is the first i've ever read that i real is just as extreme as my own, without the genius and going to college. but add to it switching 4 to 5 schools between 3rd and 8th grade all within the same town jurisdictions

I have to ask how have you handled it now?, depression, friends etc...

Its scarry but it does seem to be an issue still, WE need to address it, action plan, advocoacy even some type of association that directly addresses these issues with schools, students and parents. We need more people like Rick Lavoie

Thank you so much

If i get time i'll have to post my story, as well.

Thank you again

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Allison
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Posted:Oct 18, 2005 5:28:20 PM

Please do post your story. I would like to hear it.

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solvibe
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Posted:Oct 19, 2005 11:40:42 PM
Subject:part 1

Part 1 of ?

This should be interesting...

The 1st memorary I have of my LD is that of being in the 3rd Grade, and the teacher pulling me out of class and bringing me to the guidance counselor where my parents, some teachers and others where all waiting as if about to proceed with a business meeting, i now assume to discuss and plan my what was my unplanned future. I don't recall what was actualy said it was certain that i was way below averge of the other kids and was going to need special schooling. and for that I have surely lived the results, unaccountable of course on their end. This was the beginning of a long and windy road which i had no control over being just a kid, but now feeling like i was only being readjusted, anylyezed and tested over and over again by my parents, teachers, school systems as if some type of problem or issue rather then a human. My life was literaly being molded by these people, on who i am today. I know after that day, there was constant arugments with my parents with how they should proceed with me, schooling, special care etcc.. but very little empathy. more like i said a problem or issue...

To be Continued...soon

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Allison
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Posted:Oct 20, 2005 3:39:17 AM

Thanks for writing. Hopefully like me you will feel a release of tension that has been bottled up inside for too long. When writing, take yourself mentally back in time, relive every event that you can recall. Whether good or bad. It helps to have a box of tissues. You where asking how are things now? Right now things are for the most part good. I am trying to stay away from getting depressed. Like I said before I have trouble trusting people. Which I am trying to work on.

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Allison
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Posted:Oct 25, 2005 8:13:31 AM

Start with your first day of school and work your way forward. Then as each memory comes to you clear and defined, write it down. Don't be afraid. That was what I was doing. I was petrified that if I let those memories out I would be labeling myself all over again. Even though I found that I was not like what they stated I still at times think that I am. Because of being mentally abused I believed subconciously that what they stated was the truth and I have to remind myself in the concious realm that I am now normal.

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Allison
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I know it's been awhile, but I have been busy. Here is another memory. In the "tutor room," I can recall the constant writing of equations to the point that my fingers became raw, stiff, and on the verge of being bloody. Even today I have a knot on one my of fingers and arthritis, which results in severe pain when writing too much. When I did not do something correctely the supposed, "tutor", would slap my hands with a wooden ruler.

In 12th grade English I had to give a speech, of course that was quite difficult given my past history, I recall standing up and beginning the speech. I am not sure how far I got but I was then ridiculed and laughed at by my fellow classmates. Who I am sure from day one did not want me in the class to begin with. I remember returning to my seat with tears in my eyes listening to the students state how did that idot manage to get into our classroom.

In 6th grade gymn, my clothes ended up in the toilet, so I had to spend the rest of the day in my gymn uniform. No one was ever found or punished for that.

Once the math class was being babyset by the LD English class. They were watching "Reading Rainbow," and encouraged to check out the books listed. This was in 9th grade. I would think that this program would have been unappropriate for high school students. Here I was reading Chaucer's "The Canterbury Tales," and Spencer's "The Fairie Queen," trying to translate Medieval English.

In 9th grade all of the LD classes went on a field trip to the public library. Instead of being allowed to be on our own we where forced to stay together. I remember that I started to head towards the History stacks and was quickly told to remain with the group. Upon telling the teacher that my interest was history and that I would be spending the period in that location I was reprimanded by the LD teacher and told that I could not possibly have any intrest in that area and to come with her. We ended up in the children's wing where we were taught all about Library Science, etc. and told that we could check out a book from the children's stacks. The odd thing about all of this was that morning I had been at the library with my government class and allowed to freely roam and check out what ever I pleased. I recall that I even, during the morning, roamed into the community archives area and spent some time looking and touching 200 year old documents.


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