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Joined: Aug 15, 2005
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Posted Aug 15, 2005 at 4:25:48 PM
Subject: getting help/////

Hi, I recently stumbled over these boards and found them to be very interesting. I am wondering if anyone can help me. i was wondering if anyone knew of somewhere to get tested for LD that does not cost an arm and a leg. i've notified my local college to see if they can reccomend places. which they have, but health insurance does not cover andit is very costly. I thought through the school district they could do something, but it's not looking that way. i am 35, and have always had problems with school, but it's not until now that it seems like it's getting much worse. College is very hard for me, although i am doing it b ut through an online program. It seems as though as soon as i read something i forget it and then have to reread it over and over again. i guess like a short term memory thing. if someone has had similar experience please say so, or maybe they can suggest something. thanks in advance . peace--- vicki :roll:

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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 16, 2005 2:20:58 AM

I wish I could tell you where to go for help. I wish I knew where to go for help. I really don't think there is any help available. I've looked for a long time.

If you think you have LD you have LD.

This link is to amazon and it has psychometric tests you can buy. Maybe you can fill in the blanks. If you can't afford to the cost of having it done by a neuropsychologist and you only need one for getting accomodations at a college I can PM you the results of some. If you get a little bit creative with MS Word you should be able to get one that will fool even a psychologist. Nobody reads them anyway.

They really serve no useful purpose except to perhaps give you some insight to what you already know.

They test memory and recall, visuale memory, abstract reasoning, language, spacial relations, verbal abstract problem solving ect ect ect.

It probably would not be legal to phony one up but as long as you don;t put the real name of a psychologist on it I doubt if you would get in any trouble.

You can my a kit and books with all the psych bable for about 100 bucks

If you keep googling you might find some online shyster who will do one for you dirt cheap.

If I had a scanner I would scan a few and send them to you. If you can get your hands on one scan it into a word processor and change a few things that fit you. Like I said nobdy ever reads them. You just have to have one if you want to get services.

If I get a scanner I'll psot up some sample ones or you can buy this one for 75 bucks
http://www.neuro.pmr.vcu.edu/material/2005catalog/neuropsych_kit.htm

Just fill in the blanks and write some impressive sounding psych-babble and you should be all set.

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bgb
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Posted:Aug 16, 2005 11:35:02 AM

I'm suprised your school isn't doing more also.

Around here, nuerophyschis charge between $1,500 and $1,800. My son went though the testing and insurance covered about half. The report and suggestions though, was rather skimpy. I was disappointed.

The Learning Disability Association of Minnesota does the test for $600. Still a lot, but at least a bit less. I have an application and am considering testing for myself. One of the private LD schools here will also test adults for $800.

Many states have LD associations. If you goggle "Learning Disability" Associations, and your state, you will probably find a site. Even if they don't do testing themself, they probably know of lower cost options.

Good luck!

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TammyCat
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Posted:Aug 17, 2005 1:35:15 AM

BGB,

I think a Neuro-psych eval helps you zero in om your problems but for the most part Lder understand the deficets pretty well.

After you get a neuropsych eval then what? How does it benifit you? Who reads it? Who can read it?

I think for those who can;t afford the cost they might as well by a kit and create their own. If it will get you the acedemic accomdations you need then why not just phoney one up? Who will know the difference? It's not like anyone actually reads them.

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bgb
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Posted:Aug 17, 2005 10:42:20 AM

My personal ethics would not allow me to "phoney" one up. On a purely practical level, making up a phoney report would open one up to getting kicked out of school or fired. There might even be fruad charges.

Done right, the eval also list accomindations and suggestions. I would appreciate having an outsider look at my issues. An outsider may be aware of options I am not aware of.

Barb

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vicluch
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Posted:Aug 17, 2005 2:41:29 PM

I still think that there has got to be a way a cheaper way of getting myself evualuated. Any other suggestions? I would not lie, because I know something is going on. By the way, my 10 year old also has capd. Could that be heridity?

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bgb
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Posted:Aug 17, 2005 3:44:43 PM

"By the way, my 10 year old also has capd. Could that be heridity?"

You know, its kind of generally accepted that it can be in the genes like other LDs but I couldn't find any studies on it. The more reputable sites just say they don't know what causes it but I'd be willing to bet on heridty.

Have you tried finding a local LD Assoc? Have you called the doctors recommeded by your school and asking if they have a sliding fee schedule?

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vicluch
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Posted:Aug 17, 2005 3:57:21 PM

yes, i've called around :roll: , multiple places. they all say the same thing, check with the insurance company. i've checked with them and they say it's not covered because it's not a medical condition.ya know it's so frustrating, currently i am pursuing a criminial justice degree. I can read a paragraph, and immediatly after reading it i have no clue as to what i just read. I am a very smart person but it makes me feel like I am a moron or something., sometimes i wish i could take a magic pill to help.

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bgb
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Posted:Aug 17, 2005 4:21:12 PM

It is frustrating! I'm sorry you are getting the run around! grrrr

I can't understand what I read...I need to rewrite it. Would writing outlines or maybe listening to the books help at all.

I'm with ya' on the magic pill, by the way. : )

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Posted:Aug 18, 2005 12:53:57 AM

Quote be3215ed27="bgb":

My personal ethics would not allow me to "phoney" one up. On a purely practical level, making up a phoney report would open one up to getting kicked out of school or fired. There might even be fruad charges.

Quote be3215ed27="bgb":

Done right, the eval also list accomodations and suggestions. I would appreciate having an outsider look at my issues. An outsider may be aware of options I am not aware of.

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Barb

Have you ever seen a neuro psych report? They are quite useless.

As far as ethic are concerned do you think the guy doing the report is all that ethical. Then take the person who "requires" the report they don't even read it because they can't and don;t care to ever learn how. With those grim realities ethics would be way down on the list.

Morally I see it about as unethtical as signing your spoused name on a check with her expressed aproval.

Liken it to a starving person stealing a loaf of bread. No harm. No foul.

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JohnBT
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Posted:Aug 18, 2005 9:38:39 AM

"Have you ever seen a neuro psych report?"

Yes, many during the past 30 years and had formal instruction on interpreting them, too. They are helpful even if all they do is rule out the existance of certain problems and behaviors. The secret is to have the evaluation done by a specialist in the area you're interested in. For example, in this area we have a neuropsychologist who specializes in traumatic brain injuries. I wouldn't send someone with a suspected LD to him - I'd pick one with more LD experience.

John

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bgb
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Posted:Aug 18, 2005 10:11:50 AM

Yeah, I've seen nuero reports. I'm not trained in them so I don't understand the technical parts but the recommendations tend to be in plain language. I've seen good reports and I've seen bad. As John says, one needs to go with the right nuero.

Barb

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Posted:Aug 18, 2005 11:41:15 PM

Quote 3419460e20="JohnBT":

"Have you ever seen a neuro psych report?"

Quote 3419460e20="JohnBT":

Yes, many during the past 30 years and had formal instruction on interpreting them, too. They are helpful even if all they do is rule out the existance of certain problems and behaviors. The secret is to have the evaluation done by a specialist in the area you're interested in. For example, in this area we have a neuropsychologist who specializes in traumatic brain injuries. I wouldn't send someone with a suspected LD to him - I'd pick one with more LD experience.

Quote 3419460e20="JohnBT":

John

Experience has very little to do with it. The tests a comprised mostly of standardized psychometirc tests. A monkey could admisiter one and score one.

A neuro psych tests is often used to diagnose TBI so if there is a shrink that is specializing in diagnosing TBI patients to the exclusion of other cognitive impairment if a NP test is reall the useful diagnostic tool that you suggest then a shrink who specializes in one type of impairment will probably draw some wrong conclusions.

Overall, the whole thing is a joke. An NP test is just an expensive way of confirming what is already known and clouding the issue for those not profcient in psycho-babble.

If the shrinks cared enogh to be helpful they would write it in a way so that the people who ned to read them can.

I still would have no problem buying a kit and writing my own impressive sounding BS if I needed one for college and did not have the money to pay for one.

It's funny you can find shrink after shrink who bought the kit and now call themselves neuropsychologists but there are DAMN few that offer treatment. You'd think it would be the other way around.

That should tell anyone the whole thing is a bogus rip off.

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Posted:Aug 18, 2005 11:50:41 PM

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Yeah, I've seen nuero reports. I'm not trained in them so I don't understand the technical parts but the recommendations tend to be in plain language. I've seen good reports and I've seen bad. As John says, one needs to go with the right nuero.

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Barb

I've read about 10 and they all had vague reccomendations at the end of less than 1/2 a type written page using large type.

There are no reccommendations on what to avoid doing or accomodations. The reccomendation for treatment are blah blah blah blah specializing in blah blah blah but I don't know where he can find that.

Those shrinks are a useless bunch.

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vicluch
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Posted:Aug 19, 2005 7:49:20 AM

then what do you all suggest??? I need help!

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bgb
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Posted:Aug 19, 2005 9:47:45 AM

I beleive Tammy is suggetsing you fake a report listing whatever accomidations you want from the school. I'm assuming you may not know what accomidations you need.

If your insurance will not cover the tests, you can't find any doctors willing to work on a sliding scale, your state LDA does not do testing and can not recommend anyone for a reasonable test, you have called the local LD schools and they don't test adults, your school won't help, and you have tried calling your state's work rehab and even they won't help, I suggest you drop out of college, move to a state with more help and go to a more helpful college. Seriously.

Testing is expensive. That's a fact of life. We have offered suggestions. Now of them work for you. It sounds like you need the testing so you may ask for the proper accomidations at college. That means you need to put off college until you manage to get the testing money together.

I'm sorry. Its kinda like if you needed a car to get to school. You'd have to save for the car first.

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