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Has anyone used the Learning RX (or PACE ) program?

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demarti
Joined Jun 15, 2005
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Posted:Feb 25, 2008 7:04:43 PM

Teacher - thanks. I agree with your definition of 'remediation' as it relates to PACE/MTC. In my effort to try to be more net (as I tend to be too wordy) in my responses, I use 'remediation and therapy' interchangeably.

As it relates to PACE/MTC, my comments on remediation are inferring to remediating the cognitive skills you need to help improve your academic performance. Same with the sensory programs. With sound or movement therapy, you STILL need to remediate the reading, writing, math with appropriate programs, it just makes the learning easier and quicker.

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teacher
Joined Jan 08, 2008
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Posted:Feb 26, 2008 1:21:05 PM

Laura,

FYI .. I read over my information from headquarters from PACE and Master the Code and they state that it may take 6 months to 1 yr for children to see significant gains in academic subject to be evident and that a tutor or additional training may be needed. They have parents sign this form for them when training is split 1/2 with trainer and 1/2 with parents. Just wondering if any of your paperwork states the same? I would look for 6 mos. to 1 yr. with tutoring to help fill the gap academically.

Colleen

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Laura
Joined Nov 10, 2007
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Posted:Mar 08, 2008 12:28:47 PM

I really appreciate everyone's input and advice. After talking with several people, it does sound like the Learning Rx we used did fail us by not making the necessary modifications for our child and for not helping her integrate the skills she supposedly developed over there into her schoolwork. Also, I talked to another parent who had trouble with same trainer, and this trainer contributed a lot towards our daughter's frustration. If your child has any form of autism, be very cautious about using the Learning Rx program since the trainers may not be experienced with it and such children may not benefit from the same training methods as most others. Most importantly, all parents considering using Learning Rx should talk to other parents who used the same Learning Rx center (don't just read LD Online) to find out about their experiences and also try to talk to parents of children with learning disabilities similar to your child's.

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teacher
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Posted:Mar 08, 2008 4:40:12 PM

Laura,

Excellent advice. I would also recommend that when you are assigned a trainer at a LearningRX that your child get a chance to meet/trial the trainer too. Not sure if they offer this or not but with private PACE providers we usually offer a week free trial of the program to ensure the student is okay and the student/trainer are okay too. Most of my students are coming from word-of-mouth so the parents and family know I will be a good match and know of my extensive experience already providing the success so far. Remember, the programs are good but you need to check out the trainers to find a good match. Theoretically, the brain will get strengthened if certain exercises are completed repetitively and with increased complexity. You can read about this research in the following books:
Unlock The Einstein Inside: Applying New Brain Science your child http://els4kids.com/commerce/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2

The New Brain (i got this at my library) http://www.amazon.com/New-Brain-Modern-Rewiring-Your/dp/1579545017

I would love to keep this thread going to update on success stories with PACE and Master the Code too - not just LearningRX. I just started a blog where I am journaling the daily improvements while my two children go through PACE and Master the Code .. I'm updating the blog as I type this because my kids starting PACE 1/29/08 .. we've seen some great improvements....check it out .. http://els4kids.com/blog/

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PACETrainer
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Posted:Mar 25, 2008 4:56:53 PM

Hi ... I just wanted to post that I started a discussion/forum board about PACE and Master the Code at the following URL: http://www.els4kids.com/SMF/ and I will be updating the site frequently. There are other PACE trainers who are members to answer questions you may have regarding the program. I also have posted improvements along the way with two students currently going through PACE. They can be read once you register at our blog, if you are interested. I'm in the process of linking the forum with the blog .. http://els4kids.com/blog

I hope these efforts help others understand the benefits of the PACE and Master the Code Programs.

Colleen from NJ

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Brett
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Posted:Apr 01, 2008 3:49:59 PM

Quote Laura :


My opinion about Learning Rx is that it's really a program to enhance learning, not fix learning disabilities. Keep in mind the tests they use to measure grade improvement don't necessarily correspond to what children are doing in school, and if your child shows two grade level improvements on THEIR TESTS, they get to keep YOUR MONEY!

Quote Laura :

FYI - LearningRx does NOT use its own tests, but uses the Woodcock Johnson WJ3 Cognitive Test Battery and the Woodcock Johnson Achievement. The WJ3 is one of most well known batteries for assessing cognitive skills. LearningRx does not use the whole assessment but the most important pieces to help determine the strengths and weaknesses of one's learning skills.

Laura, It is really unfortunate that you had a bad experience with LearningRx. Most students have significant changes as they go through the training. But not every student will get a "miracle story" change. Sometimes we just get good changes. One way for us to determine success is from testing the students. We also determine success through parents and student testimonies of results. We ask every parent "How likely would you recommend LearningRx to a friend or family member" and last year (nationwide) we averaged a 9.2 out of a 10.

Academically, we aren't going to teach your child algebra or grammar or promise straight "A's". But hopefully our training does transfer into one’s ability to focus, multi-task, retain information, and think quicker. We are building the core underlying skills needed for becoming a successful learner. Sometimes that does correlate to students losing their diagnosis, taken out of sped programs or off medication. Most of the time the student’s hard work and parent’s investment pays off. But sometimes the application of the training is hard to see or isn't as apparent.

I also want to state that we don't look at grade levels. We look at the student’s age equivalencies and percentiles.

I hope this helps clear up some misinformation on this forum.

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Laura
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Posted:Apr 02, 2008 10:57:51 PM

Brett,

You are correct in that Learning Rx does use valid tests for measuring cognitive abilities (not achievement) and that the results are reported in age levels not grade equivalencies. However, with our daughter's huge improvement in many areas, I would expect to see at least a tiny improvement in school. For example, she improved 8.7 years in visual processing, 5.3 years in working memory, 4.9 years in logic and reasoning, 6.4 years in short-term memory, 9.6 years in auditory processing (sound awareness), and in the reading section, 7.8 years in auditory processing blending and also segmenting. Based on my daughter's performance in fourth grade, I find it difficult to believe that she now has the logic and reasoning (concept formation) skills of someone of age 16.5 or the auditory processing blending & segmenting skills of someone of age 14.8. This testing was done shortly before my daughter turned ten years old, and the pre and posts tests were given by different people.

No, I didn't expect my daughter to start making A's and B's on her own after going through Learning Rx. (Getting C's on her own would have been nice.) My goal was for her to learn more in the classroom so that we would not have to spend 2 to 3 hours doing schoolwork and studying at night. Unfortunately, that did not change. It would also be nice if my daughter did not bring home D's and F's on tests and classwork that I cannot help her prepare for.

I do believe that Learning Rx can help lots of children. I just wish that I had not been promised that Learning Rx would help mine. Could anyone provide me with some statistics regarding how Learning Rx helped children with autism/aspergers or with severe language delay?

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msellor
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Posted:Sep 10, 2009 7:49:25 PM

I just want to warn anyone who is considering buying a Learning RX franchise that even though it is a good program and will help most kids that it is hard to make any money at it. I believe all you have to do is be a PACE Provider and just build your business Like Kid Potentual Hawaii "808-744-2867"and open up as many offices as you wish and train your own trainers. As long as you buy there product there is not a problem...learning RX has more products but the profit is hard to recover from the investment. I looked at the franchise but once I heard this person on the radio stating how they guarantee the results and was looking for as many students they could enroll I first thought it was a franchise but then I realized this company has been allowed to self franchise with 3 locations and over 12 self taught trainers.So before I buy A franchise I would first be a PACE provider.

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kipsmommy
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Posted:Sep 15, 2009 12:38:33 PM

Hi Msellor,

I work with PACE licensing and LearningRx franchise development. I can tell you that there is not a PACE license that allows you several locations or twelve trainers. We do still license but each trainer needs to have their own license. We also have lots of franchisees that are doing very well financially. There are very few businesses like LearningRx. You get to help change the lives of hundreds of people every year and grow a large business (something the license does not allow you to do). Many of our franchisees started as PACE licensees so that may be appropriate for people that are not quite ready to jump into a business. But if you want to ever relook at how our franchisees are doing financially we do have a full earnings claim which is available to anyone to look at, just go to our franchise website, www.learningrx-franchise.com. I have worked for the company for 14 years. I know how our programs change lives and just want to make sure that information that is posted is correct so that if someone does want to help people they won't be misinformed.

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