How to teach those in LD field proper consideration

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Mandi Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 407 Location:From Boston MA Presently in Brandon MB Other Topics	Posted Mar 01, 2009 at 11:10:01 PM Subject: How to teach those in LD field proper consideration I think we should make them all take their own tests and go through exactly what those they label go through. I think we should hawk some products at them. How about, I will rent you my brain for your invasive and abusive cruel rediculous ADHD tests for $1000 an hour. ADHD BRAIN FOR RENT! $1000! Maybe, if you had to PAY for what it is use you use you would show us some consideration and value as we are human beings. Even whores are treated with more dignity and respect than those with ADHD. Perhaps you should stop "hawking your products" at us and pay a fair market value for the products that you use to make a fortune off of studying. We pay darned good money to go to college. You want to study the ADHD brain, mine is for rent. You never have to torture another child again with your filthy testing! Just rent my brain!!! $1000!!! The, you can turn around and charge your $100 seat charge $200 fee to diagnose and even get your kick backs for prescribing junk the drug companies want sold AND receive your royalties on your books WHILE honoring the legitimate human intelligence of those with ADHD as a special work force that should get payed as such! We should form a stinking union for better treatment from society and those in the industry. otherwise what you are doing qualifies as slavery and that is quite against the law. No one ever payed me minimum wage to use my brain but plenty wrote books on what they learned form using my brain and made a fortune. Perhaps, if you learned the proper value of a human brain thas right, HUMAN those with ADHD are people too. Just like blacks and asians and women. Perhaps we would feel better buying your products if we felt they came from learning about us in non usary ways that were legitimately based in credible science in which those being used as test victims were actually treated with human compassion common courtesy and respect? Perhaps those with ADHD do NOT need our behavior fixed, perhaps our behavior is a response to your cruelty and inhumane treatment of us? Maybe, if you treated those with ADHD with respect we would show you some with more "apropriate" behavior. So if you want to teach us, teach us by example. Change your behavior towards us.Rent my brain $1000 an hour!
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tommy2035 Joined Mar 07, 2009 Posts: 1 Other Topics	Posted: Mar 10, 2009 11:10:04 AM Subject: Re: How to teach those in LD field proper consideration Hi! Im Lauren Mart A. Carpio a 2nd year student in the University of Santo Tomas currently taking the program of Bachelor of Elementary Education Major in Special Education.. I hear you and i feel what you’re going through even though I’m not diagnosed as having ADHD. People are very judgmental and the act violently to what they don’t understand that’s why some are treating you different. As for your aggression toward the testing, I feel very offended because no one is forcing anyone to be diagnosed or tested they come to professionals to seek help and there is no cruelty involve they just have some series of test to help the kids with ADHD. By the way there is a standard for identifying people with ADHD so there’s no need to study your brain, then the book thing? It’s a discovery to help everyone of course the one who wrote any book did not get paid before the publishing am I right? They got paid after people seen its credibility and use to them.
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Mandi Joined May 05, 2008 Posts: 407 Location:From Boston MA Presently in Brandon MB Other Topics	Posted: Mar 10, 2009 3:08:37 PM Subject: How to teach those in LD field proper consideration No you don't hear me. You hear the bogusness you have been fed. You want to hear me but your training has made you completely deaf to my words. You haven't the foggiest idea what i have gone through you can't feel it because you don't go through it. I understand you want to understand me. So let me make this very simple for your wasted mind. I am just like you. You think about various things so do i. You feel pain you feel happiness so do i. You have dreams and ambitions, so do i. You have compassion, or atleast try to, so do i. You breathe the air so do i. You drink water so do i. You love your child or will when and if you have one so do and will i. You want equitable treatment and to be viewed as an individual. You want the world to respect your position or you wouldn't have responded to my post. SO DO I. We are not different. Not different at all. Except that you separate yourself from and make me jump through bogus hopps and tell me i am a lesser human because no one can find any difference between me and you. I am not here attacking anyone. Speaking a few words is hardly the equivalent to the inhuman treatment i have observed from your field. Inhumannes i have been subjected to. You can't know it. You have never faced it from my end. You have no idea. You are one of those good people on the pesky road to hell. And all i aam saying is if you wanna go to hell go on your own. I don't want to go wwith you on that trip. That is your ageenda not mine. As for what is forced. I was 4 when i wqas first diagnosed. I was punished for not behaving during the test that bored me to death. I was held accountable for my behavior though something no 4 year old should have to face. I didn't ask for any help. I asked please leave me alone. Why do i have to do this? And i was told i do it to save other children the suffering later on. NOTHING IN THE LAST 25 YEARS HAS CHANGED!!! When will your field start to be held accountable for cruelty? When will you all get forcibly medicated for your desire to convert the heathens. There is a reason for every behavior and act that i make. My OWN reason. I have everyy right to that. Just as you have every right to your reason and doing what you do. I am not a danger to society. I am not the one medicating children to death. Thats your field. NO THERE IS NO STANDARD THAT MEETS WITH SCIENTIFICALLY CREDIBLE AND MEASURABLE EVIDENCE. I am an archaeologist. I work with science. I am married to a phd in theoretical physics. I know the difference between scientifically quantifiable evidence by which one can form an opinion but first you need to have something to measure. To date no hard evidence has ever been present for ADHD. Yet children are put on psychotropic drugs for something. If you want to give me insulin i can be shown the proof i am diabetic. But all that there is for diagnosing a non existant disease is oh right subjective behavior observations. Over 25 years of searching for where the break down in the brain happens and oops still less than no answers but suggestions that the ADHD brain is guess what, EXACTLY LIKE YOURS. I would point you in the direction of the works of Dr. Breggin and Dr. Baughman. Uhhh I have never been helped by any of these books. I have never been told what is wrong with me and as i have been used as a lab experiment i think i have earned the books in blood. And i don't feel ppl with ADHD should have to pay with their time AND their money when such diagnosis complicates for so many their ability to even get a job because of the predjudices people like you perpetuate against people like me based on no quantifiable evidence. Your logic is bogus and self serving aren't you in this after all to serve people like me? Except, i never asked anyone for help. I never wanted any. I never said "Please lert me take all the boring tests so that these people can waste their time studying NOTHING but an all new cotton industry!" Did the african american brought over in chains say "Please mastah, chain us up and torture us we can't care for ourselves exactly like you do we have our own way of doing things that works just fine for us. Please whip us and let us make your rich working in your cotton fields." So mastah, shall i go out and pick me another bale of cotton? or have i made my point?
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Mandi Joined May 05, 2008 Posts: 407 Location:From Boston MA Presently in Brandon MB Other Topics	Posted: Mar 10, 2009 6:18:58 PM Subject: How to teach those in LD field proper consideration I have been thinking of how to open your eyes to the facts and realities while respecting each case and situation is different. You say, no one forces anyone to do anything. Yet something like over 80% of those with ADHD are under 18. Which means, they legally have no right to say no to testing. They have no voice on the issue. No one is required to honor their statement that they want no part of it. Just as no one is obligated should they ask for help to honor their statement. Would you like to see an 8 year old put on ritalin and or other very serious drugs, placed on an IEP and put through the testing not because of the observations of sound minded adults, but based on their own personal findings something wasn't right with themselves? Ofcourse not. You would say oh this poor kid feels inferior and a bit depressed how can i cheer them up in a small way though... How can i remind them theres still positive stuff in the world. You would view them as exactly what they are. A vulnerable child. And your instinct if you weren't observing what they were would be to comfort them NOT have them tested, even if they asked for help. Because a child is not sound enough of mind to ask for help that is a parent's job. But if over 80% of those diagnosed with ADHD are infact children who's voices are not honored for that reason and it is not infact a request coming directly from them, how is putting them through all the testing and stuff not an abuse??? And if you get them young enough, they hopefully don't know yet what is actually going on enough to take a clear stand against it. Which is why this diagnosis stuff keeps getting made easier and easier at younger and younger ages. If a baby cries now literally an infant, because it is in pain it can be labled as having ADHD. An INFANT 2 year olds are dieing from "proper" dosages given by legally recognized licensed doctors. Forgive me but if a parent of a child that young comes for aide, maybe you should help the one ASKING for help. And that isn't the child that ultimately becomes the victim of all this "good will" It is the parent. Or the teacher. maybe it makes more sense to medicate the teachers into doing a better job teaching maybe they have some defect in their brains that they can't connect to every child that comes through their door. Maybe it is best to help the one asking for help and best to leave the one that isn't feeling anything is wrong alone. or atleast waiting till they are old enough to have some idea for themself if something isn't right or is right so that they can come of their own free will without any pressure from anyone to ask for help. My parents thought nothing was wrong with me when i was young. And nothing really is. And, when a teacher came to them, because I ran instead of walked down 1 hallways 1 time, at 4 years old. They had me tested then the doctors instilled excessive amounts of terror in them. And nearly immediately starting at age 6 started trying to medicate me. Now my parents had 1 letter that said they suspected ADHD from the teacher. They had 32 that said i was fine. And they presented all letters. But the diagnosis process is not open to any evidence or suggestion that nothing is wrong. They would read the single letter but refused to even look at the other 32 letters. And spent massive amounts of time terrorizing my mom till she was over analyzing everything i did. From the way i held my fork to the way i brushed my hair... I could do nothing right.... Ofcourse not. I was a CHILD i was still in the process of LEARNING these skills which is where ALL children that age are. They literally told my mother that ADHD turns into the ebola virus and then morphs into AIDS. And that ultimately kids with ADHD suffer horribly and die if we are not fed ritalin. Ofcourse that wasn't said till i was 14. She finally caved and i was used as a lab rat in experiments for the drug companies. Experiments which i would physically fight to not be used in repeatedly saying i dont want that medicine in my body. What your industry does is a form of child rape. If some kid says "I want to be on ritalin!" You call the cops and call it drug abuse. If a PARENT or educator wants help, (Neither of which is the person that ultimately receives the said help, then force feeding non violent people who are no danger to others or themselves medication that screws with their brain is completelya cceptable as it makes the lives of those asking for help easier. Zombies are after all easier to control than children. So don't be so sanctimonious about what you do. Because you don't do anything like what you indicated in your post here. it is not a part of the system. It SHOULD be. And if it were my issues with the system and with your industry would not be wholy gone but my distaste for people like you and people in your industry would be seriously diminished. But lets all be HONEST and not idealists about how this "process" is done and to whom it is done. because a child can not consent to sex. And a child can not take a drug of their choice because it makes them feel better. But adults make so many decisions for them claiming them to be in the best interests but how can anyone decide what is in the best interests of a person still too young to have the capacity to adequately articulate or even have their own possition on the matter? That is called taking advantage and it is abuse. And people are making massive amounts of money.
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How to teach those in LD field proper consideration