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Posted Jan 06, 2012 at 9:12:35 AM
Subject: NLD

My daughter has NLD and cannot look and learn. She learns through verbal communication. I have asked for her to use a tape recorder to record the teacher's instruction for homework and such so she could listen to it later if necessary. My answer from the team is NO! I am not there to listen to their conversations. I only want to help my daughter, who simply learns in a different way. Do I have any rights regarding this?

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DRHD
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Posted:Jan 07, 2012 6:49:50 PM
Subject:Re: NLD

Jewels,

Please help me. What does "NLD" mean as the diagnosis. I think I know but please be specific as your State must have a differing terminology. Also, I am very concerned about your issue and I have some recommendations. First, what State do you reside?

DRHD

Ps: What are the accommodations in the IEP for "testing" both on State assessments and inn the classroom?

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eoffg
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Posted:Jan 08, 2012 3:59:52 AM
Subject:Re: NLD

DRHD,
NLD is Non-Verbal Learning Disorder, where it's also abbreviated to NVLD.
It basically comes from the fact that we have 3 cognitive thinking process, Auditory, Visual and Spacial.
With a WISC evaluation, we have Verbal Comprehension index (VCI)tests which evaluate Verbal/ Auditory processing.
Also Perceptual Reasoning Index (PRI), which evaluates the combined use Visual and Spacial processing.
So that with Auditory thinking as Verbal Learning.
The term Non-Verbal Learning is also used for Perceptual Reasoning, and Visual-Spacial thinking.

But NLD isn't an officially recognized term.
Though it has become a useful term to describe a difficulty with Perceptual Reasoning.
Yet a major problem with this, is that it refers to the combined use of Visual and Spacial thinking.
Where in fact, NLD is specifically a Spacial thinking difficulty/ disorder.
But with NLD, people typically do not have a difficulty with Visual thinking in isolation.
Rather it limits what they can do with Visual thinking, as they are unable to combine it with Spacial thinking.
So that with NLD, it is crucial to develop a way of using Visual thinking, that doesn't rely on combining it with Spacial thinking.
Also to understand how a Spacial thinking difficulty effects Auditory thinking. As they also work in combination.

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eoffg
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Posted:Jan 08, 2012 3:59:52 AM
Subject:Re: NLD

DRHD,
NLD is Non-Verbal Learning Disorder, where it's also abbreviated to NVLD.
It basically comes from the fact that we have 3 cognitive thinking process, Auditory, Visual and Spacial.
With a WISC evaluation, we have Verbal Comprehension index (VCI)tests which evaluate Verbal/ Auditory processing.
Also Perceptual Reasoning Index (PRI), which evaluates the combined use Visual and Spacial processing.
So that with Auditory thinking as Verbal Learning.
The term Non-Verbal Learning is also used for Perceptual Reasoning, and Visual-Spacial thinking.

But NLD isn't an officially recognized term.
Though it has become a useful term to describe a difficulty with Perceptual Reasoning.
Yet a major problem with this, is that it refers to the combined use of Visual and Spacial thinking.
Where in fact, NLD is specifically a Spacial thinking difficulty/ disorder.
But with NLD, people typically do not have a difficulty with Visual thinking in isolation.
Rather it limits what they can do with Visual thinking, as they are unable to combine it with Spacial thinking.
So that with NLD, it is crucial to develop a way of using Visual thinking, that doesn't rely on combining it with Spacial thinking.
Also to understand how a Spacial thinking difficulty effects Auditory thinking. As they also work in combination.

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DRHD
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Posted:Jan 08, 2012 10:12:34 AM
Subject:Re: Re: NLD

Jewels,

The person who responded provided a helpful description of what is meant by " NLD ". My question now to you is what State do you reside and what is the official eligibility determination that has been made by your local school division as to what is your child's disability? I'm curious about whether your child is properly diagnosed and the IEP is consistent with assessed needs.

As for your immediate concern, I believe your child has moderate to severe processing issues that would obviously require accommodations for both oral and written tasks in addition to testing accommodations. Please note that an IEP Committee may refuse to grant a parental request however, you are required to receive "Prior ritten Notice" upon this refusal. Therefore, did you receive this when this refusal was made? This is a procedural issue.

DRHD
[Modified by: DRHD on January 08, 2012 10:15 AM]

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jewels
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Posted:Jan 12, 2012 6:09:49 PM
Subject:NLD

Im sorry I did this wrong. NDL is called Non Verbal Learning Disorder. The invisible disability. To talk to my daughter you would never know she had any kind of disability at all. You don't hear it, you don't see it. You don't know its there, until you pay attention and work with her. She has had damage to the right side of her brain and basically functions with the left. She had hydrocephalus (water on the brain) and a cyst larger than a golf ball in the third ventricle of her brain that wasn't found until 10 months of age. The doctors went in her brain, popped the cyst and she never had a shunt. While we are blessed to have a miracle, it didn't come without many troubles.

I simply asked the team at her first IEP about a tape recorder since she learns thru verbal communication. They simply said, "NO". So the no was verbal. My daughter can't look and learn, she learns thru verbal communication.

The school recently also told me they would not ask my daughter two questions she missed on a test orally because it wasn't in her IEP.

I will write what her IEP says: Allow Student's assessments to be read aloud on tests and quizzes and all academics. She only needs oral testing when she is asked in True/False form or asked to draw lines to the correct answer. She should never be given a trick question because she will surely loose.

My daughter can read very well, she just does not comprehend what she reads. She cannot find any answer in just a paragraph no matter how hard you try to teach her this. The school continues to send homework for her to look up in the book the answers for homework and tests. She can never find it, therefore I do it for her. I am tired of spending hours doing her homework when I could be teaching her the answers orally.

I have many concerns and the school doesn't seem to want to help. Every time I ask for something, even when it is in the IEP, they say no. If I didn't help her study for tests verbally she would get all f's.

Sometimes I am at my wits end concerning this because nobody understands it and don't seem to want to even try.

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eoffg
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Posted:Jan 14, 2012 2:10:12 AM
Subject:Re: NLD

Jewels, rather than a tape recorder, you could use a mini digital recorder. Though it would be easier if your daughter just had it on her desk, and could then turn it on when she wanted to record something, like homework.
Also with having tests read out loud? Something that you could consider is a Pen Reader, where you scan the line and it is read out loud. Through a speaker or headphones.

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