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Anonymous
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Posted:Mar 03, 2002 10:56:36 AM

I'm not sure that this test wouldn't have been considered an IEE.
When they did the reevalutaion 2 years ago, the school pyschologist at our school system did the testing, When my son came home from school that day, he said they gave me that test today, would have been nice if the woman spoke English. When I ask what he meant, he said she's from some other country and I couldn't understand her. I called the county office and inquired about this, they said yes she is from India, but she speaks English well. So I waited until I got the report. When the report came and I started reading it, I found another childs name mentioned in the report, not my son's name, I ask my son if he had ever heard of this name and he said yeah, it's a boy in my class. So once again, I called the county office, they had the pyschologist call me. Yes she did speak English, but with a strong foreign accent, I told her I didn't mean to offend her but I was having to really concentrate to understand her, and I'm sure it would be ever harder for a child that was being tested with a learning disability. I then mentioned the other childs name in the report. She said that was just an error, that she puts all the reports in her word processer and she must have just put the wrong name in. I said I don't like that explanation, how do I know this is my childs assesement and not someone else. So the school agreeded to have him re-tested by the regional office of SERC. That is where these results came from. I"m not sure if they will consider this as an outside IEE or not. Any ideas?

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Posted:Mar 03, 2002 1:14:09 PM

Kathy,

This is not an IEE. Plenty of school systems contract with outside psychologists to come in and complete evaluations if they have too many for the staff psychologist(s) to complete. If it was done at school, it most certainly not an outside evaluation. An outside evaluation will be done at a private agency or a university testing center. These people will be totally independent of the school system. I agree that you need one, regardless of who pays.

Robin,

You know, there are several different versions of the Brigance, so it is possible that they didn't even put the right name down. But even if they did, all the Brigance Inventories are what I believe is called criterion referenced (shows what skills the child has and which ones he doesn't) and not normed, so as long as the skills tested were around the level that the child is performing, then I don't see what difference it makes. There is overlap of skills in some of the Brigance Inventories. I don't have the catalog at home, so I can't see content at the moment, though.

Janis

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I would call up and ask when the last IQ test was done, and was it the WISC, Stanford-Binet or the new WJ III cognitive portion? If it was done two years ago at age 10 years, the WISC would have been the test most commonly done.

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Posted:Mar 03, 2002 4:28:49 PM

Janis

There are indeed several versions- but none of them look appropriate for an 11 year old and none of them- with the exception of the one for young children- provide anything that looks like an IQ score. That is why I did the ERIC search- because I wasn't sure. A criterion referenced test is not a measure of cognitive capacity that is acceptable under the law as far as I know. Norm referenced- by age- are the only acceptable measures and you still need- at some point- those two dots to connect the line.

I think I disagree with your interpretation of an outside evaluator though. I am one of those folks who works independantly but has a contract with a couple of school districts to provide evaluations. None of the districts does much testing in house other than yearly goal assessment. I am however, an outside evaluator- as are all the other folks I know who are in my position. I write lengthy and detailed reports summarizing my findings and I am have no particular ties to the district relative to what their service model is or what their available programs are. I only recommend things that make sense given the profile of a particular child and I am not at all shy about delivering unpleasant news or celebrating good news. I am on the child's side in this process you see- and so are all the other professionals I spend time with. I am in business as an independant consultant- not a school employee.

Kathy:

Request an evaluation in writing. This is too screwy for words and you cannot function without up to date accurate information- much less hold the district accountable for programming for your son.

Robin

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Posted:Mar 03, 2002 4:52:06 PM

Robin,

I didn't think the Brigance had anything to do with the IQ score. Next to the Brigance, it said "see protocol", if I recall correctly. I saw the next test (IQ) as being totally separate. I do not think the Brigance had anything to do with the IQ score. You are very right that it would be fairly impossible to get an IQ score from a criterion referenced test! And I used a form of the Brigance through last year with high schoolers. The version I had went up through maybe 6th or 8th grade skills. I used it every year to measure progress and to help me identify areas of concern for the IEP. I am back at elementary, and I still use it.

All I know is that my county, in order to save money, dismissed the full-time psychologists and now have all our testing done by outside contracted psychologists. But that psychological IS the district-provided testing for initial and 3rd year re-evals. It certainly would not be considered an independent evaluation. An independent eval would be provided by a nearby university or private agency that does psycho-educational testing and who does not do the day-to-day testing for the county.

Janis

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Posted:Mar 04, 2002 12:54:10 AM

Thanks for the comments, but now I"m really confused, about this test and that test. I'm just going to put all the testing ideas on hold for awhile. I've got to tackle one problem at a time. And tomorrow's problem is the prinicpal. Maybe after I clear that up and contact the ppl Ohio told me about, they can help clear up the tesing issues. I appreicate your comments, but right now my held is to full of "what to do's" Thanks!

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Posted:Mar 04, 2002 8:30:00 AM

I read it differently- to me it looked- and still does I guess- like the Brigance score was being quoted as an IQ score. I really don't know a lot about the Brigance and what sort of numbers and clusters it generates so I am willing to admit I might be off base. It has happened before and I suspect it will happen again:)

The difference in our districts I think, is that we have never had on site evaluators- all our evals are done by outside professionals-though they frequently are done at the school as a convenience to the teachers and the parents. The professionals the school calls to do assessments are just as likely to be called by parents for IEE's- and most evaluations are ultimately paid for by the district- even the university evals and neuropsychs. There just aren't that many folks around who DO good educational evaluations and they are all very busy. The schools know that- and they have little interest in going to court over eval results. They use that money more efficiently providing services- or they try to anyway:)- so it makes sense to get it done correctly the first time.

Take care!

Robin

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