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Posted Mar 24, 2002 at 4:16:17 PM
Subject: Can I ask for an IEE?

Just wondering if I can ask for an IEE. My son is labeled as SLD, but I suspect it's dyslexia. During a conversation with the superentident, she said she had looked over his MFE and although she didn't really know what his disability is, she knows it's not dyslexia. The other day at my "not an IEP meeting", the LD teacher said that my son used to severly dyslexic, but he thought he was growing out of it. He's made that comment before, growing out of it, hmmm. Anyway, based on these statements, can I request an IEE, I feel like to help him, we need a definited dx.
How can the school know what to do for him, if they don't know what the problem is?
I know someone here will have the answer. Thanks

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Posted:Mar 24, 2002 5:06:48 PM

dyslexia will change the services or type of services offered. I taught in a sped room for 4 years. What was most important was not the kind of label given to the student, but finding and using materials that were effective.
Kathy, you spend so much energy on trying to provide the right services for your son. :) I think it is wonderful to have such a caring parent. Have you ever looked into doing some tudoring outside of school? It is a sad, but true, fact that you may never be satisfied with what is given in school. They are too behind. (I wish I could help implement major changes in that department, but that's another topic.)
I believe that Audiblox is a strong, inexpensive cognitive skills program that can be very beneficial to help establish some of the foundational skills necessary for learning. I've been using it with my regular class. I can see that doing it one-on-one with kids with medium-severe problems would be very beneficial. It might be more beneficial to spend some of your time on something like this instead.

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Posted:Mar 24, 2002 7:18:25 PM

I think you should ask for an IEE.

You want an IEE because you want to find out exactly what processing disorder is causing him to be so far behind and recommendations for remediation so that he will make progress.

I think you need to make a request in writing to see your son's files so that you can get copies of all previous evaluations. It might be better to do this before you request the IEE in writing.

The one thing I'm not sure about is that if the district did an evaluation more than one year a go what effect this might have on your request. Do they have the right to do an up-to-date evaluation of their own.

Helen

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Posted:Mar 24, 2002 8:55:53 PM

Kathytoo,

SLD means specific learning disability. Many types of learning differences (including dyslexia) fall under this heading. It is a school category for classification purposes.

Many schools do not want to recognize 'dyslexia". They give some illogical reasoning that it is a "medical" diagnosis, not an education one...whatever that means.

One does not "outgrow" dyslexia. Another comment from a supposed professional. What happens is that the dyslexic is taught in a manner that makes sense to him and learns strategies that he can utilize to be effective in an academic and reading/writing/calculating setting.

By all means...first make sure you have a copy of all your son's testing and educational files. Then, request an IEE in the categories of specific disabilities. People here can help you with that.

The IEE testing I got for my severely dyslexic and CAPD son was so informative and had such good educational recommendations that he realy made progress.

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Posted:Mar 24, 2002 11:25:38 PM

to request an IEE you must have an evaluation that you do not agree with. some states have a rule on the timeline when to ask,between evals. If you have ever signed a paper stating something like you have ten days to disagree or something like this,then you would probably have to allow the school there shot at evaluating him firt before you request an IEE.§300.502 Independent educational evaluation.

(a) General.

(1) The parents of a child with a disability have the right under this part to obtain an independent educational evaluation of the child, subject to paragraphs (b) through (e) of this section.

(2) Each public agency shall provide to parents, upon request for an independent educational evaluation, information about where an independent educational evaluation may be obtained, and the agency criteria applicable for independent educational evaluations as set forth in paragraph (e) of this section.

(3) For the purposes of this part—

(i) Independent educational evaluation means an evaluation conducted by a qualified examiner who is not employed by the public agency responsible for the education of the child in question; and

(ii) Public expense means that the public agency either pays for the full cost of the evaluation or ensures that the evaluation is otherwise provided at no cost to the parent, consistent with §300.301.

(b) Parent right to evaluation at public expense.

(1) A parent has the right to an independent educational evaluation at public expense if the parent disagrees with an evaluation obtained by the public agency.

(2) If a parent requests an independent educational evaluation at public expense, the public agency must, without unnecessary delay, either—

(i) Initiate a hearing under §300.507 to show that its evaluation is appropriate; or

(ii) Ensure that an independent educational evaluation is provided at public expense, unless the agency demonstrates in a hearing under §300.507 that the evaluation obtained by the parent did not meet agency criteria.

(3) If the public agency initiates a hearing and the final decision is that the agency's evaluation is appropriate, the parent still has the right to an independent educational evaluation, but not at public expense.

(4) If a parent requests an independent educational evaluation, the public agency may ask for the parent's reason why he or she objects to the public evaluation. However, the explanation by the parent may not be required and the public agency may not unreasonably delay either providing the independent educational evaluation at public expense or initiating a due process hearing to defend the public evaluation.

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Posted:Mar 25, 2002 7:01:56 AM

First, get all of the school's testing, over the past years that your son has been in sped; probably he has been tested every three years. Ask to meet with the school psychologist so that when you go through the school records you can pick out the WISC and achievement tests and understand the school's interpretation of the results. Then you can disagree.

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Posted:Mar 25, 2002 1:28:23 PM

Yes, Shelia I have searched and searched for a tutor for my son, but we live in a rural community and I can find no one who has training in a multi-sensory langugae program. I know that would be the best thing for him, but since I can't find anyone to tutor him, I have to keep trying to get the school to do their part. He is using the Wilson Reading Program at school and seems to be making great progress with it, I brought it home over the summer, thinking I could work with him on it. But, since I grew up in the age where phonics wasn't taught, I'm of no help.
When I read your post I tried very hard to read it as not being negative toward me, but after re-reading I keep getting the impression that you were trying to say in a nice way, that I should quit complaining about the school and find a way to help him. Well, let me say again, I would like nothing better than doing just that. But I seem to keep hitting a dead end. I would love to find someone to help my son, I would love to have to quit fighting with the school system. I would love to be able to get him the help he needs and look at them and say "in your face", but until a magical tutor drops out of the sky, in this one horse town where we live, I will continue to try and get the school system to offer help. Thank you for your concern.

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Posted:Mar 25, 2002 1:48:18 PM

I was just trying to be helpful. I don't like how things are in the school systems either, and when you live in a rural area it is even more difficult. I just thought that realistically it might be more beneficial for your son if time and energy was spent on doing something privately instead of going through the school. I do wish the best for you and your son.

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Posted:Mar 25, 2002 1:57:16 PM

but do try to figure out where hte complaints will do the most good. Getting a full-blown test battery done probably won't change a thing even if the report uses the word "dyslexia." That is still classified as a kind of "SLD" by the schools; the word will probably not change the opinions of people who think he's "outgrowing" it or think his problem is "Definitely not" dyslexia.
Keep trying to get them to do things like Wilson, and try to survive the Science ... but sometimes it comes down to having the courage to change what you can, the serenity to accept hte things you can't change, and the wisdom to tell the difference.

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Posted:Mar 25, 2002 4:02:38 PM

I didn't read anything in Shelia's post that was negative toward you. We have to be careful on these boards not to read more into the message than is really there.

I thought she was trying to carefully warn you not to get your hopes up that the school system will successfully address your child's issues. Typically, they are so resource-constrained that they can only make limited progress. If you pin your hopes on the school system being able to fully remediate your child's weaknesses, much time and energy can be wasted before you realize it's still not happening.

There have been many discussions on this board about labels. Three years ago, I thought "if only the school recognized my son had "dyslexia" (instead of SLD), then they would provide the appropriate services." Now I understand that the word dyslexia doesn't provide any greater granularity for them to work with than their term SLD. Within the umbrella of dyslexia there is a complete range of symptoms that a child may or may not have. No matter what label, each child has unique educational problems and what they hope to address are the specific areas of weaknesses that were identified in the psych/ed evaluation. Be aware though that whatever services they implement to remediate these issues are usually not one-on-one. And children in LD services are usually spending x amount of their time on weaknesses that they don't even have because other LD classmates need help in those areas.

You have a real disadvantage living in a rural area. Sounds like you've tried everything to get a tutor trained in multi-sensory techniques. Do you know of any general academic tutors that might be willing to might work with your son using techniques outlined in Reading Reflex? It seems to be recommended constantly on these boards. I bought a used copy from Amazon for $8. Never used it though. Our son was 11 by the time I learned about it, and it seemed geared toward a younger child.

Keep fighting to get as many services for your son as you can, but be realistic about what the school can actually accomplish.

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Posted:Mar 25, 2002 8:23:21 PM

Shelia, sorry I misunderstood your post. I guess I'm overly senestive. I'm so used to going to the school and hearing that my son's problems must be my fault. I guess I just get on the defensive side right away. Also, right after I first found this BB and my very first post, I received a very nasty private email, the response wasn't posted on the BB, and I don't remember the name of who sent me the email. But, she said, to stop sitting around and complaining and do something about it. That I needed to care enough to get him help, because my sitting around whining
was doing him any good. This email had many other negative comments, but that was the bottom line. And, I didn't misunderstand that email, it was very straight forward. I almost
didn't post anymore, because of that, but I'm glad I continued, because I've found lots of help here.
So sorry, guess I was having a "feel sorry for me day".

And, I'm feeling a little up right now, grade cards came out today and he got 2 c's, 1 B and 1 D. Not great, but good enough to play sports.

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Posted:Mar 25, 2002 8:32:32 PM

I guess I didn't explain myself very well. I know that the label of dyslexia won't change anything, but I think he has some sort of processing problem or something going on. I know that not being able to read on his grade level causes problems, but I think there is something else wrong too, like way he seems to know the material when we study and then he bombs a test. I just thought maybe a IEE would pinpoint more.
Also, the last time he was re=evaluated, I ask to have him re-tested because when I got the MFE back, it had another childs name mentioned several times in the comment section. I talked to the tester and she said oh that was just a word processing mistake, but I still felt uncomfortable with this MFE. So, they had someone else re=test him, the scores were all within 3 to 5 points of her results, except the IQ score. His IQ dropped 10 points in 2 months. This all happened 2 years ago, before I knew much about LD, so I didn't question that, but now I wonder. I am still looking for his first testing (we've moved between now and then, and it's probably in other box). I'm curious to see what his IQ was then.
Since we changed school systems from the first time he was tested to the re-evaulation, where will I have to go to get the first results, are those kind of records transferred to the new school, or will I have to go back to the old school system to get those.
Thanks everyone!

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Posted:Mar 26, 2002 7:30:03 AM

Ask at the present school for the psychologist to sit with you as you go through your child's file; pull out this school's testing, as well as anything from prior settings. If he was retested twic within a short amount of time probably the same IQ test was NOT used as it would have been invalid. The gold standard of testing is the WISC III for his age. Your IEE will be based on your disagreement with THIS district's testing(not with past school district's testing). Make sure you understand this district's interpretation of their latest testing. Test-retest variation is present in all testing; the evaluator should report the confidence interval for each test.

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Posted:Mar 26, 2002 8:57:10 AM

Kathy,

Don't think your problem is confined to rural areas!!! I live in an urban area and called I don't know how many people trying to find someone to tutor my son in LIPS (he has auditory processing problems) but with no luck.

I ended up teaching him myself using Reading Reflex. We also went to a Read America clinic in Orlando. My son has numerous processing issues so he has been a tough case but he is close to grade level now.

In our case, I decided to teach him myself rather than fight the school district (the only recourse we had by the time I was done was due process). There is no right decision for everyone with this and in some ways it is crowardly but I couldn't take the stress any more of fighting with them. (They knew me by name all the way up to the district level). I thought that I would rather spend my energy directly on my son.

This year we lucked out and the school hired a new teacher who actually knows useful programs. Interestingly enough, my son was the only one in resource room who could actually read (because I had taught him).

Anyway, you are in a tough spot there is no question about it but living somewhere else would not necessarily make it that much easier!!!

Beth

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Posted:Mar 26, 2002 9:05:46 AM

This might help with understanding what's been done.

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Posted:Mar 26, 2002 1:52:14 PM

on the latest materials. This is such a concern of mine, but how do we go about it. I have brought in Reading Reflex to my fellow teachers and one was excited about it for awhile and tried it with some students. It hasn't been used at all this year.
Out sped dept is only allowed $300/year for materials. The sad fact is that there is not any more money. I know that for a fact. Very old materials are used now. Students get services and I know the teacher is doing the best she can.
I know I got off the subject and have posted about this often, but it does really bother me. I wish I knew how to implement major change.

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Posted:Mar 26, 2002 2:23:34 PM

Some of it is money but some of it is mind set. The teacher I mentioned who was hired this year is trained in both LIPS and PG. She was getting grief from district folks for not using the "approved programs". I bought her some materials, figuring it was cheaper than a tutor. She just got a grant of some sort for materials.

I think money may be easier to overcome than bureaucratic mindsets.. My son used one program in first grade. It was ineffective. We hired an advocate and got an appropriate IEP. The district then tried to implement the IEP using the same ineffective program. They told me it hadn't been implemented correctly---so apply standard treatment, if it doesn't work, apply again!!!

Maybe all my yelping did some good. The one teacher left and the principal (hiring is decentralized) actually hired someone good.

Beth

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