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Posted May 14, 2003 at 4:57:57 PM
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Is this program really as great as I read/hear? I just spoke with someone at the LMB center in Dallas. My daughter would have to go through yet another round of testing (boo) and then they would come up with an individual program for her. She said because she is so young, that it would probably be a couple of hours a day for 4 to 8 weeks. She said many go on from there with no problems. Really? She said some have to come back for comprehension later. Has anyone had good results with LMB and about how much does it cost?

Suzi

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Posted:May 14, 2003 5:04:36 PM

This is a definitely good option. Search for the research that shows that LMB changes the brain pattern in dyslexics as demonstrated on brain scans.
It changes their brain to cause them to use the areas of their brain more like a non dyslexic.

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Posted:May 14, 2003 5:57:22 PM

My son did 4 weeks of 4 hours/day this past winter. It was all we could squeeze into his winter break and it made a huge difference in his reading. He went into LMB having broken most of the code so they didn't do Lips with him. Instead they jumped to Seeing Stars which totally cemented his ability to decode, and he also can now decode most multisyllabic words. His still has alot of trouble with fluency, but SS got him over the hump of learning to read. I'd do it again in a heart beat.

The cost was approx. $90/hour, which for us was less than we have been paying a tutor. The intensity of the program is part of why it works so it was worth it to us to spend the money all at once like that. Good luck.

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Posted:May 14, 2003 7:02:56 PM

What level was he reading at before, and what level now? How did it help with written expression and spelling? I think to expect parents to spend several hundred or thousands of dollars on this product is unrealistic; I also think it serves the cream of the crop, ie kids who are bright, have motivated, well to do parents and already have implemented some remediation. I really wonder if the results and pace of progress "hold up" over time.

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Posted:May 14, 2003 9:23:32 PM

How old is your son? I'm considering 3 1hr/week sessions for my 7 year old this summer. I'm really concerned about intensity for him, though I know this very part-time way can take a very long time.

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Posted:May 14, 2003 9:46:44 PM

I now know about a dozen or so kids who've gone through the LMB program. Of these, the oldest are now in 8th grade. They'd both attended an LMB regional center during 2nd grade. In both cases, these kids maintained the gains they'd experienced (as did the other 10) Did they no longer need private tutoring? One continues to work with a tutor, the other no longer needed one after LMB.

That's pretty true with the rest of the kids. In my experience, and I've worked as a tutor to 4 of them, continued support is still a necessity. Most importantly, immediately following LMB, these kids needed daily fluency practice. LMB doesn't address that need. And instead of swimming upstream as the student falls further and further behind his or her classmates, I've been able to work with them on grade level material, breaking down instructions, teaching them ways to study, strategies for test-taking, etc. I've helped them with their writing.

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Posted:May 14, 2003 9:54:24 PM

Its difficult to answer your first question because the one thing I can't endorse is their testing methods. They use the same test in their before and after testing, and I do feel it skewed the test results somewhat. In general he was reading (according to the Gray oral reading test) at an extremely slow rate, about 1 grade below grade level accuracy, with above grade level comprehension. That doesn't sound so terrible but take my word for it - he was not literate. He couldn't put it together to read. After Seeing Stars he improved in all of these areas, with the most noticeable difference being in his accuracy. I saw some immediate improvement in spelling. They didn't work on written expression or comprehension. He still won't read for pleasure, but he can read age appropriate material albeit very slowly.

The improvement was significant, and observable, not just by me, but also by the reading specialist at school and his tutor. Nothing else we have done has produced a jump in his skills like this did - which I attribute to the intensity. He did 68 hours of work in 4 weeks. Think about it - it would take 34 weeks of seeing his tutor 2hours/week to acheive the same amount of work.

And the results have stuck. Its been 4 months since he finished. We haven't seen any major changes since then, but the improvements stayed, and definitely improved his sense of confidence and proved that with the right instruction he can make progress. It convinced me that he will thrive in a special school next year.

I also can't complain about the cost. As I said, it was less per hour than what tutors get in my area of the country. The session I observed wasn't magical - it was just a multisensory way of teaching reading - totally compatible with the OG instruction he had received and even the PG work I had done with him.

Having said all that - LMB is just one tool that we have used and its not meant to address every issue. But believe me, the kids we saw their were not "cream of the crop" and several had major major developmental issues.

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Posted:May 14, 2003 9:55:36 PM

In other words Joan, it sounds like it gave them a boost so you could get onto some of the higher level skills. That's exactly what it did for us as I said in my next post...

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Posted:May 14, 2003 10:00:11 PM

Amy,
My son was 8 .5 when he went. The youngest kids were about 7, and some were much older. They all work for an hour and then take a break together, which my son enjoyed. Much more of a feeling of "we're all in this together" then him just working alone with his tutor. Most of the kids were boys and they traded Yu-gi-oh cards or played gameboy on the break.

But you have to gauge your own child. My son is very compliant when it comes to therapy. The last 2 weeks of his LMB work he actually went to school for a few hours and then did 4 hours of LMB. He was pretty pooped by the end. It was a grueling but productive experience for him - and convinced him that switching schools for next year was the right decision. If we weren't moving him to a special school we would definitely be doing more LMB this summer.

Good luck!!!

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Posted:May 15, 2003 7:24:03 AM

I think that any program applied at 20plus hours a week for several weeks or months would have similar results; my argument is with the cost...several hundreds or thousands of dollars are flowing into this company ...they need double blind studies, or studies where students were assigned to various groups of reading therapy, then tested independently.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 8:05:26 AM

Then what about all of those who failed with reading recovery. Reading recovery is even more intensive than LMB.

My son received intensive training at both sylvan and in school and did not learn to read until he got structured phonemic awareness training.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 8:07:20 AM

Please read, "Why Our Children Can't Read and What We Can Do About It,"

All of your questions are answered there. There are numerous double blind studies. Reading has been studied more than anything else in education.
The results are pretty clear.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 8:10:57 AM

Not of LMB with 1998 revenues of $11 million....where does all the money go????

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Posted:May 15, 2003 8:33:58 AM

I think there is no doubt that LMB is a major profit making business. I understand they pay their tutors a fraction of what they charge parents and make the tutors sign agreements not to use their training for some period of time afterwards, if they should leave LMB employment. I too have some ethical issues with this....I basically find for-profit enterprises in education difficult to swallow.

We live near a regional center (which I have not used because my son has a difficult time with intensive work) but I know people who have. It seems to work for many kids when other things have not. I think effectiveness is a very different issue than whether you agree with the way they run their for-profit business.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 8:47:18 AM

I disagree.
After watching infomercials for hooked on phonics for years I am glad that someone is creating a successful business around a program that actually works.

I wish the PG people would get there act together and do a better with marketing. I wish they were more successful because more success would mean they would be more available.

Do we want to get into how much schools spend on reading recovery?

My school alone is spending several hundred thousand dollars a year on RR. That is my money, which is really offensive.

At least those who don't want to go to an LMB clinic don't have to.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 9:11:50 AM

We agree they are effective but disagree on whether the business model they are using is appropriate.

I just wanted to point out that there are two different issues here.

One is whether it works.

Two is whether you agree with the business aspects of how they are running the clinics.

I understand that LIPS used to be called ADD and was a pretty low profile program (changed names for obvious reasons). It was a family operation and a new generation made it much more business like.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 9:37:07 AM

Attend your school committee mtgs and push for something more effective; our schools use Wilson, far less expensive than LMB. I repeat, where does the money go, the tutors are paid far less than teachers at your local schools. Buyer beware.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 12:07:04 PM

My friend's son is going to a wilson tutor and it is costing her around 15 thousand a year for twice a week tutoring.
They say it will take 3 years.

Her child is in kindergarten.
Wilson is not cheaper than LMB where I live.

I have presented all the reading research to the school. The head of curriculum was extremely condesending.

He has a PHD and believes he knows best.
The school guidance counselor called reading recover, "Like a cult."

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Posted:May 15, 2003 1:30:49 PM

SAR, I've always appreciated your advise and thoughtful comments so I'm puzzled as to why you are so negative about LMB.

Lindamood-Bell isn't a philanthropic organization, it clearly is a business, and I don't doubt that its owners wish to make money. By the way, my son's tutor also teaches reading for a living and I don't begrudge her her $125/ hour. I'll pay for what works, and the scientific evidence, as well as the antecdotal evidence of alot of parents is what sent us there in the first place. If LMB priced themselves out of the market I wouldn't have gone, but their rates were comparable with what my other alternatives were at the time.

The buyer has to beware when someone makes false claims and doesn't deliver. With few exceptions the parents on this board have been happy with the results their children have gained at LMB.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 1:36:01 PM

I'm an economist by training, and unless someone can show me that the lindamood bell tutors are somehow being taken advantage of then I have no problem with the business model. The tutors I met were all lovely college grads, on their way to other careers. They didn't seem unhappy to be there at all.

Likewise, I'm not going to complain about paying a fair price for a service that was delivered efficiently and with good quality. It was my decision after all to buy their services.

If we are going to get angry it shouldn't be at someone with a solution. It should be with the educational system that fails our children in the first place.

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Posted:May 15, 2003 3:11:53 PM

They are also getting paid with training that will allow them make a nice income as a LMB tutor on their own if they choose.

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