I’m a newbie. I don’t know where to turn, or even where to begin. My now 13 year old daughter has always been a bright kid and has done well in school, but it has always been a struggle.
Before she even started school, she would give up easily on tasks that were difficult for her. She would get frustrated, cry, and refuse to keep trying.
When I tried playing Chutes and Ladders with her one day, she absolutely could not follow the numbers on the board and understand which way to move her playing piece.
In kindergarten and first grade, learning to read was a huge emotional ordeal for both of us. The “15-minute” reading assignments would take us 1-2 hours to get through, with lots of tears and frustration, but she eventually learned.
Our biggest struggle has been math. She is very bright, but does not seem to retain anything regarding math. Every night for the past several years, I have to re-teach her math assignment in order for her to complete her homework. She understands pretty well when I teach the lesson and completes the assignment, but if she has another assignment on the exact same thing the following day, she is completely lost again. She still does not know her basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division facts. We have studied these and tried to commit them to memory using many techniques over many years.
In 4th grade, I talked to our pediatrician about ADD/ADHD. He gave me some questionnaires for her teacher and I to fill out. My questionnaire indicated a strong likelihood for ADD, but the teacher’s did not. The ped suggested a trial of medication, but my DH is a chiropractor and is not receptive to the idea.
My daughter is a hard worker and usually spends around 2 hours per night on math. She gets distracted very easily and is disorganized with her school work. If I do not stay with her, she gives up and doodles. She is a phenomenal doodler from years of practice.
Her teachers tell me she stares at them in class but does not take notes and does not participate. She tells me she is still trying to process the first thing the teacher said, and misses the middle, and is lost by the end. She claims she does not have time to write down her assignments or organize her papers in school.
She has always been an A and B student, but in order to achieve this, her effort level has had to be extraordinary. Because of her inattentive posture in class, her teachers do not see the great effort she is making and often criticize her for not working to her potential.
At home, I see another side of the picture: a student who is struggling and trying hard, who is bright but feels stupid because everything is a struggle. She makes several lists a day trying to keep track of the details of her life. Her lists are extremely detailed, for example, her list for getting ready for school might have 20 steps and her estimated timeframe for each one.
Now she is in 8th grade, and is in NJHS and the accelerated math (Algebra). She is failing Science, and has received failing grades on individual tests in Algebra and History. Her self-esteem is falling, and her frustration level is soaring. I have seen some signs of the beginning of depression setting in.
I do not know where to turn or what to do. Our financial situation is really tough right now with 4 other kids and significant loss of income over the past year. I cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars on tests. What does this sound like to you? I know you are not doctors, but I’m hoping another parent can give me some insight.
Re: Help Needed with 13 YO DD
Geoff,
Thank you for the helpful information. I will definitely visit your forum.
Sheri (Savvysmom)
Re: Help Needed with 13 YO DD
This must be so frustrating for her! (And you… that helpless feeling is horrible…)
What are her strengths? Maybe we can figure out a way to use them better. Does she remember math by remembering the steps… but because they don’t really make sense for her she forgets them? (I work in a community college with a lot of studetns who really struggle with math, often for that reason.) Sometimes the solutoin is to find a way to remember the steps better; sometimes the solution is to figure out how to make those steps make sense.
Does she understand verbal connections and logic? Or does she rely on rote memory? And what motivates her… and how much motivations is left… and is there any way you could at least reduce the amount of work she has to do - by having her do the equivalent of “dropp[ing” a class (maybe going to help in the library for that period or somethign)?
I’m tossing out ideas and they might be worth less thanyou’re paying for them - take what makes sense at laugh at the rest… Another good source for support is the Schwab site at www.schwablearning.org.
I have lots of strategies for specific stuff in math so if there’s a particular stumbling block, ask.
SueJ, webmastress
http://www.resourceroom.net
Hi Savvysmom,
I run a forum for something called: Dyscalculia, which is the official lable for Maths Disorders.
Where your daughter seems to fit with some sub-types?
Dyscalculics are typically gifted Verbal Thinkers, with A grades in subject that rely on Verbal Thinking.
Yet Maths relies heavily on both Visual and Spatial Thinking.
From what you write, either or both of these could be a difficulty? Where her ‘doodling’ could reflect difficulties with Visualising?
Also her heavy reliance on making ‘written lists’, reflects a difficulty with making Mental; written lists. Which involves both Visual and Spatial Thinking.
Spatial Thinking, is essential for defining an ‘Order of Operations’. So that items in a list can be prioritised.
Which is also directly relevant to Algebra.
So you could begin by asking your daughter if she is able to Visualise the numbers in her mind, when she does maths calculations?
Geoff,
www.dyscalculiaforum.com/